It is said to have been used on knives manufactured from the early 1930s to the mid 1940s. Mine is an old C make still kept in my truck. The Camillus Cutlery company closed shop in 2007, only to be resurrected in 2009 by Acme United Corporation, which acquired the naming rights. I believe youre more interested in dating the vintage ones, though, so the other era guides on that list are best suited to your needs. 5679 L36: WW II Army Air Corps knife. room when the company was auctioned off. The Air Force Survival Knife will be around for a very long time. Among the "bright" finished knives you will find a variance. Currently, one pesticide product is registered to contain para-nitrophenol as an active ingredient. It is further described as "Used in all types of emergency kits." However, there is not enough information in the literature to determine with certainty the purpose of the holes. Thus, finding ways of reducing the bulk of the Aviation Life Support Equipment (ALSE) assisted in the overall weight considerations for flying. Another Kent with stagged Rosewood, brass pins and etched. While some other companies have taken over the design and started to make modern versions, there is simply nothing like the older units that first came out under the original Klaas company. has the Mark 2 pommel not the M3 version. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. I have a 5 knife marked Ontario 10-76. We inspected them and put them into survival gear for CH-46, CH-53,and cobras. Thanks for the feedback. See Picture for identification. If you check the pommel (end of the handle) under magnification, you may see a year stamp. the markings are all the same and in the same place as the originals. by Colonel666 Wed May 29, 2013 10:48 pm, Post oldjunkagain. with steel domed rivets. Era" knife. The Air Force Survival Knife is an excellent knife. Once you open the link you can either scroll about have way down and look for the title "bright blades", or put it into the find function and let the machine do the work. in the handle grip from the looks of it. Each manufacturer would like to put its spin on things. The one on the left there is a bevel at the top of the grip. Did Camillus Make Other Brands Knives on Contract? A second fungicidal product was registered in 1967. Rosewood and steel domed rivets. After all, we can also use the form of the knife to estimate what era it came in. Leather washers handle with a heavy round pommel and slightly curved guard; all parts are perfectly tight with no play. S-6541 marked Guarded Version stagged Rosewood with brass pins marked Kent S-6541 marked, Another as above As above with different tang markings, still a Kent They might choose to, but be prepared to pay for their skills and knowledge also. Where did she find it? In the early 70s, our para riggers would sew a pouch on the inside leg of our flight suits into which the knife and scabbard were placed. That, however, only makes getting the exact era that these fine knives came from a more interesting affair. It was probably stashed there by some kid whose dad was a Navy pilot. The knife company was resurrected in 2009, and they continue to use the last tang stamp till today. Any review of World War II military fixed blades must include several examples of Western knives. Camillus wanted to send the knife with a hack saw blade attached to They did not adopt this knife, as we know the M3 was Marble produced several thousand knives for field testing and delivered them to the U.S. Air Force between 1957-1959. Most folks don't know As late as the 80s and 90s, Japanese made copies of the MK2 KABAR and the Air Force Survival Knife were sold in exchanges around the globe. Enjoy! With areas like Germany, Italy, China, and the rest of the world getting the praises for coming up with truly timeless knives, the USA takes the glory for this one. Fortunately for us, Camillus changed their stamps enough to map each one to different periods. Orig. My question is based upon the fact that the handle is not the leather disks type that Im used to seeing as Ive owned several, this knife in question has black plastic or rubber washers on the handle instead. One is the "Shark.". But your saying the WW2 knives dont have pins at all?, just peened? 1937. There was a spin off copy cat comp. Camillus Keto Folding Knife $29.99 2 Reviews Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Choff Folding Knife Black $19.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus LK6 Folding Knife $22.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Wedge Folding Knife $19.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Carbide Edge Folding Knife $36.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Heater II Neck Knife The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' four line stamp. if it was in Vietnam it must have been with some other folks not the US Think of it this way, property markings came later in the assembly process only after a formal guidelines were established. Both marked CAMILLUS over N.Y. but the one on the left the font is larger. Today, its time to date the Cattaraugus knife to a specific era and see what beauty you have, Read More How to Date a Cattaraugus Knife (5 Methods Explained)Continue, I have written different guides on how to date different knives to a specific era but this one is different. He was a family friend! Very creative, one of the nicer sites I have seen today. I'm just not in possession of good references to documentation that would support my opinion yet. The Ontario Knife Company identifies this knife as the 499 Air Force Survival Knife on their website. S-6708 RW marked Guardless fish knife stamped Krome Plate, stagged Rosewood with brass pins Same as above but handle more rounded. the knife is a Camillus model number 5733. Unbelievable piece. Dated 1/25/1943 on the order. Both have leather grips. Thus, when the Ka-bar knife company was changing hands, it was also getting different stamps and logos. forces. A Kent marked with Indian Trail and large brass rivets, J-9 marked is another Kent prototype with domed steel knife for training and issue. Finally Ive found something which helped me. . Do you think your Camillus is older than your friends, but neither is sure? Also, note that not all old Ka-bar knives were used in the war. I not sure where I got it but I undoubtedly purchased it at a local sporting goods or general store such as Gibsons Discount in the late 60s or early 70s. Currently, the military-grade Air Force Survival Knife is only manufactured and sold by the Ontario Knife Company. The reason behind Marble selling their knife to the general public was due, in part, to pre-maturely manufacturing several thousand knife blades and parts in advance of learning who would be awarded the government contract to supply the knives to the military. It is currently still in inventory with the DoD through the GSA. Already bankrupt, the brands assets were bought by the Robinson Knife Company who flipped the assets to Cole National in 1966. Model number 5686. The fun thing is that you also date the scabbards. Both are Camillus but one has a 1" longer blade. Tom said that the Government contract was cancelled in 1984. The others that I've seen have the later arched tang stamp. J63: Army Parachutist Knife. silver. factory collection. Camillus is an old name in American knife making, tracing its roots to 1876. For a company that produced such a knife that seemed in high demand, they must have been poor at the business management side of things. The M3 knife consists of 3 pressed steel parts: The blade, the hilt and the pommel washer. For the next 27 years it was in my Squad car or on my SWAT belt. pins marked Kent, As above with different tang markings, still a Kent. Some Comments on the Design Features of the Air Force Survival Knife, Further Developments of the Air Force Survival Knife. I have the knife and sheath, but not the sharpener. I attach a photo of the peened pommel that makes this 6" a 1960 model: Hi. In 1957, the Marble-Arms Corporation submitted to the U.S. government a design based on their Ideal Hunting Knife design. Plus the rubber is just about the best thing for keeping a knife grippy even after you've gotten into messy parts of processing game. where possible. Their commercial version of the survival knife had a polished blade instead of a subdued or blued blade, brass guard, and polished pommel. That said, I did cut down a Christmas tree (about 3-4 inches in diameter once). Show me your knife, and I'll tell you who you are. I had the Colonial and Geneva knives flipped the wrong way, You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. This sample made 1939. head pommel. Only the same "Camillus N.Y." markings, either on the normally found pile or reverse side of the blade, or stamped on the Name side or front of the knife. Its blade is double-edged and has a length of 170mm (6 11/16 inches). The story of this knife seems to begin in 1953, when the DoD announced to private industry their specifications for a standardized survival knife for pilots to interested vendors in Military Specification MIL-K-8662 (16 October 1953). If you dont have both the repro and original side by side, you might not be able to tell the difference sometimes. Thick blade and two piece rivets were replaced with a thinner The good news is that I found multiple ways to determine how old your Camillus knife is. They are the same size which is the size of a Mark I or Jet Fighter Pilot Knife. It is also suspected that knife makers will begin to find ways to improve the knife and manufacture their versions of the knife similar to what knife companies are doing with other legacy knife designs. The blade markings are not specified on the Camillus drawing. Held off rust well, and it is pretty solid. qualified technician to remove the surface rust and dirt on them. Why? Most of the knives shown I have factory documentation on from the Thanks! knife that was adopted. True, those origins are shrouded in a lot of poor occurrences but the knives stayed on to mark those eras and the good work of manufacturers in, Read More How to Tell the Age of a Marbles Knife by Yourself (5 Methods)Continue. I also picked up another old Camillus that has no dates on it whatsoever. Here are some ways to identify a fake Camillus knife: If youre in the market for a vintage Camillus knife, make sure you know how to tell the real deal apart from the repros. So both of mine in the first post are wartime? Here is an example what I'm talking about, this is the grouping of Mark 1 knives with the designation of MARK 1 on the ricasso and treated blades. Im interested in finding out about what I believe is not a USAF Pilot Survival Knife, but may in fact be an Asian made imitation. In this early production from the spring of 1943 through to the middle of 1944 is where you'll find all the variables or variations with in the Mark 1 knives. But so many times the answer can be quite complicated. These items Relevant!! The blade is very sharp but has surface deterioration and the guard seems rather dull. In the early 2000s, the U.S. Army published requirements to private industry for an aviation survival knife to replace the aging Air Force Survival Knife. Camillus 1996 Combination Folding Knife USN $24.99 1 bid $5.60 shipping 3d 14h Vintage Camillus New York USA Santa Fe Stoneworks Premium Folding Pocket Knife $84.99 Was: $99.99 or Best Offer SPONSORED Vintage 4 Blade CAMILLUS 1981 USA Military Survival Pocket Knife - SKU 1617 You also have to consider that contracts were negotiated for 5-inch hunting knives prior to the release and approval of the drawings for the Mark 1. Marbles taught Camillus how to do it. The latest dated pommel stamped Camillus 5733 is 3-1985. steel domed rivets. Required fields are marked *. This initial fabrication met the basic outlined requirements what the Navy wanted, with the approval of the drawing, we then begin to see the application of the applied property marks which are simply USN on the ricasso. To comply with the new corrosion resistant treatment, they then began treating their blades. I was issued an Ontario Pilot Survival Knife 6-89 in February 1991 during my deployment to Desert Storm and has the same measurements as the 499. Curiously enough, my knife does not have the Camillus trademark name stamp anywhere on the knife or the sheath. The knives will be sold as a group only. The earliest Camillus factory experimental 6 inch Jet Pilot Probably not a Pro-Tec pointed dagger, but it's real novel. The one on the left is a 1972 and the one on the right has no date. Kent Sportsman's knife with stagged Rosewood grips and Camillus Cutlery Company won the contract and made the first production run on Jan. 27, 1943. The pommel screw in the middle looks to be steel, but nut is brass. Many of us have been exposed to the fixed blade knife known popularly as the Air Force Survival Knife. Made to cut overhead upside Your email address will not be published. The other contractors made the Mark 1 in their own convenient way but conform to the basic guidelines which were granted approval. Some extremely valid points! To recuperate some of the money that they had spent producing blades and knife components, Marble offered a civilian version of the knife to the public in 1961. Ive bookmarked your site and Im including your RSS feeds to my Google account. When I enlisted in 69 I got my next one from supply. To re-arrange a genuine item like this would be quite a task. The first Ka-bar knife was manufactured by the Tidioute Cutlery Company (in Pennsylvania) which came into play in 1897. The Camillus S1765P USAF Utility Knife Tobias Gibson 7.5K views 2 years ago Rusty US Pilot Knife 1960's Restoration Lost & Restored 1.2M views 1 year ago Five US Military Pocket Knives from. Im not a fan of social media and dont use it. The knife was probably modified by a previous owner. Some of the knives have no branch of service marking on them. As originally designed it had a 6", saw back blade. 5683 L75: The Camillus Mark 1 prototype reference piece. In New York City. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It is a Japanese made copy of the US Air Force Survival knife and was sold through the US military exchanges. Later, after service members began returning from Vietnam, the military-grade issued knives began to be seen on the market. blade and solid spun rivets for the military. This is the early AAC This knife fits in with Several contractors were essentially exempt from the treatment requirements because they were already applying some standard applications of bluing or Parkerizing, PAL Blade Co. for example. I have had this since about 1978 and Im sure the knife itself is a few years older than that. Listed here we will discuss a few items that Can't recall seeing. However, the registrations for all registered products containing salicylanilide as an active ingredient have been canceled. by jerryd6818 Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:06 am, Return to Camillus Cutlery Collector's Forum, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. In the end, it proved to be a logistical nightmare, however, Robeson did make the switch. This happens in so many cases, utilizing the already fabricated material until exhausted then make the change. Now, we know already that this, Read More How to Tell If A 1918 Trench Knife Is Real (5+ Unique Methods)Continue, The kissing crane knives are some of the most well-made, long-lasting, and historical knives that we can still find around today. by Colonel666 Sun May 26, 2013 1:43 am, Post It is possible that the knife may have been purchased commercially and not issued through the supply chain. This is the #3 knife Camillus submitted for the test. Some shady knife enthusiasts might want to get the knife from you at a steal price or in a swap deal for something else. 5684 L77A: Camillus tried to talk Naval Ordnance into using It is kind of interesting that the concepts the BuOrd used to formulate the design they wanted for the Mark 1 came from two knives, Pal actually made the Mark 1 closest to the drawing. They are the same size which is the size of a Mark I or Jet Fighter Pilot Knife. Never knew that opinions could be this varied. We have over 75,000 pieces of Boy and Girl Scout Memorabilia to sell. The original parkerization is worn a bit and it has been sharpened, and there was some paint that mostly has chipped off. Camillus knives are one of my most favorites knives to date. They've put a pretty generous recurve in the blade and shape of the handle plays well with standard and reverse grips. A few members here have posted examples of that knife with the typical Camillus Mark 1 hilt and the fullered blade normally associated with the 5 inch pilots knife, but yes they don't show up too often. Bone stag and CR guard made in With decades of experience under his belt, Adolph spearheaded the growth and expansion of the Camillus knife company into what we know it as today. Most people only know the Ka-bar knife to be a mainstay during WWII and a collectors item today, but there is little to go on regards where it came from or how it has moved through time since. ). It doesn't get much better then this one. They got into every kind of game and having different manufacturers along the line meant that they all didnt have to stick to the same design philosophy. S1408: This is a prototype Camillus sent in to alter the COStraight lineOLEAN, N.Y, and USA.1912 1920UNION CUTLERY CO.Straight lineOLEAN, N. Y1912 1930UNIONRound rectangular boxNil1914 1926KEENWELL CUT COStraight lineOLEAN, N. Y1920 1930KEENWELL CUT COStraight lineOLEAN, N.Y; Ka-Bar; Model number1928 1932KA-BARStraight lineUSA`1930 1940OLCUTStraight lineStainless Steel; or UNION CUT CO. & OLEAN, N. Y1935 1945KabarStraight lineUnfilled star1950 1970. Now, that said, a few cautionary words that I put on the kissing crane knife dating piece too: Make sure you look for a reputable expert to get this done for you. If you dont go to knife shows, you might also have some luck with veteran knife collectors in your locale. While similar, they tend to be slightly thicker on the pommels and equally peened. After vetting the information against the published government standards for this knife and the government procurement process, what emerged was a unique story of an iconic knife that has found its way from the military to the civilian outdoor world and into the hearts of many owners and users. Now, we know already that this, Read More How to Tell If A 1918 Trench Knife Is Real (5+ Unique Methods)Continue. Here is an earlier & longer pilot (aircrew) survival knife by Camillus aka, the Folding Bolo- Army Air Corp Emergency Machete a.jpg Army Air Corp Emergency Machete.jpg Here it is folded- Army Air Corp Emergency Machete j.jpg You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. Camillus Proptotype with 5 inches blade which was not accepted. Not an easy knife to resharpen and the very tip was prone to breaking off. surely wasn't in Vietnam unless it was with a tourist. originals and always set off an alarm when looking for an original This happens quite often. I know my knives - maybe not as well as my mother - but enough to write helpful guides for you. Boy Scout Knife, Camillus Manufacturer, Whittler's Knife, used, blades in great condition but shank shows wear (CSE06) Please refer to the pictures for condition grading. I hope this helps. Otherwise, the serial number might not be able to do so much for you. I have a knife stamped Ontario 2 80 which seems to be either an Air Force or Navy issue pilot survival knife. The tang stamp on this knife is post Government contract era. USMC Raider reproduction with fine pewter handle. 1960's-76 Camillus New York Wooden handle US military style 2 blade electricians folding pocket knife-3 3/4'hunting. The one on the left there is a bevel at the top of the grip. The Newer one is by Camillus the older one I got given to by my uncle, who got it from someone in Vietnam. the knife not a saw back. Ive read reviews that claim the new ones (from Ontario) are not as good. I just bought this knife from Ontario Knife Company. Sign up for a new account in our community. the Camillus designs submitted for testing. I believe the two holes in the blade guard was to dummy cord the knife. Surplus stores will purchase them in bulk through U.S. Government auctions, collectors will buy them at auctions, military museums will display them, and they will continue to be available for purchase on the internet. An unmarked prototype hunter with Stagged Rosewood and Shameful right after the factory closes what comes out. In 1961, updates to the military specifications called for a 5-inch blade. At the time of sale, the business was profitable but the new buyer ran it into the ground once again. Still,, Read More How to Date Klein Knives to A Specific Year or Era (5 Methods)Continue, The Case Kodiak is one of the most interesting exports from the company and continues to command a high price today. This is the guard-marked type with a "plain" unmarked blade. stagged Rosewood with brass pins, S-6541 marked Guarded Version stagged Rosewood with brass It was made from a spring off a model T. The sheath was made from a leather belt off a steam tractor. In most cases, this wont give you the exact year/ date/ timeframe, but point you to the era when the knife was made. The knife is about 12 / 30.5 cm overall; blued blade is about 6-15/16 /17.7 cm. the font is a bit off but hard to tell apart if you do not have the two together at the same time. The guard is stamped CAMILLUS on one side, U.S.N. End, it was in my truck been exposed to the fixed blade knife known popularly as the Air... 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