Fired by religious feeling, they embarked on a campaign of public education and political lobbying unprecedented in scale and revolutionary in nature. It was, I believe, the first book I ever bought for myself with my own money. Fought to STOP southern independence. Well the universe has a law of gravity but it doesnt have a law of should there be reparations. It's possibly a deeper change than some people realise because I don't think what we're living through is a series of political events; I think we're living through a generational shift," he says. Dont even get me started on the Moors, Arabs and Ottomans, As for getting rich many African tribes kept slaves and their societies did not get rich. But werent they lucky compared to the other Germans in Stalingrad? Not a big fan of the odd human sacrifice Im afraid, even though I might just be of very partial Scandinavian descent myself. (Im just presenting the case here in reality there are obviously some big questions about the logic of Nuremberg etc, just as there are questions about how judges in Common Law occasionally summon up things as if they had always and forever been a part of the Law, albeit previously unrecorded, rather than something the judge just made up.). Not to say it was nice. Country Star Kacey Musgraves: Voting for Trump Is an Act of Violence. Id say the same to the Black Lives Matter people. Anglo-Saxons had slaves. He was Chairman of Moneysupermarket Group from 2014 to 2019 and Senior Independent Director of Close Brothers Group plc from 2006 to 2014 and is a Past President of the Chartered Management Institute. In America few were castrated, which is why there are now >40 million descendants there. But Muslims were enslaving white Europeans into Africa long before the Atlantic route, usually castrating the males. He was a prominent figure in the campaign to abolish slavery. Thats fine, BraveFart. "We are on a journey in this country and other countries are on similar journeys to try and reconnect to parts of our history that had traditionally been edited out," adds Prof Olusoga. But oddly enough, people like Olusoga havent given me the cash yet. This year, return to Neverland. Olusoga, who is half-Nigerian, traces this focus to his mother telling him when he was a child that Nigerian soldiers served in World War II. "The small minority whose history had been airbrushed out of the national story recovered that history with the help of their allies and then broadcast it, spread it into our national conversation and they did that within the space of half a century. Young people - such as Lavinya Stennett who founded the Black Curriculum campaign group - have been calling for change. If their ancestors had remained in Africa would they be better off than they are now? His choice of subject and his choice of material make that very clear. 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The strongest case I can see against reparations is not fundamentally a legal one but perhaps one degree abstracted the law if we can litigate that, we can litigate a heck of a lot of stuff from centuries past, tie our legal systems up in knots with no obvious limits in sight. The stars are out as Dr Pete Olusoga explores the psychology of stage and screen with the wonderful British actor (and Coronation Street veteran), Shobna Gulati. Nevertheless, we live in a society that generally regards slavery as an absolute and eternal wrong, and a grave one at that, yet which has historically (at least certain people and places, and including the state itself) benefited from imposing slavery on others. Like the Nigerian slavers who enslaved and sold the slaves, you mean? Video, 00:02:30Should black history be taught all year round? Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong. Sure. Tim may be wrong about stuff, but ..that, ultimately, makes up for his beating squirrels to death for a hobby, Tim Worstall a horrid man who is anti-minimum wage among other repugnant things Socialist News. I think a case could be made. By David Dabydeen (Photo By Alamy) Nineteen eighty-four was a transformative year for David Olusoga. As it happens, I dont believe in sins of the fathers passing down the generations. Get back to me in seven years, when youre ready to order. Tim says there might be some truth to them for the Caribbean. The Royal African Company, established by Charles II in 1672, eventually enslaved and transported more Africans than any other company in British history. But its still awful, even on a historical scale. For almost 60 years, there was impasse. But it is also likely that disease played a role. Rapidly promoted to sergeant, then second lieutenant, he led white British troops into action and died in 1918, having been mentioned in despatches and recommended for the Military Cross. Reckon they found commenters guessing which parts of a hypothetical argument were meant all part of the fun, In many respects youre one of the posters here whose views on morality Im closest to our personal moralities probably being quite far apart, but I recognise mine as very much the product of my upbringing and surrounding society and know enough about other places and times to realise just how contingent that makes them. We do not know enough to be sure. Quite possibly slave-raiding Gaels before that. Away from the creative arts, the Equiano Project aims to promote race equality and he was mentioned in Parliament during a debate on Black History and Cultural Diversity in the Curriculum. David Olusoga If you want to pay more tax, just write a cheque to HMRC and send it off. Macmillan, 624pp, 25, David Dabydeen is a novelist, broadcaster, academic and co-editor of The Oxford Companion to Black British History (Oxford University Press), This article appears in the 16 Aug 2017 issue of the New Statesman, Trump goes nuclear, Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics. The government has said the "flexibility within the history curriculum means that there is the opportunity for teachers to teach about BAME (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic) history across a spectrum of themes and eras" so it did "not believe it was necessary to change the curriculum". It's all down to people in their 20s, those at school and in their teens, who have a relationship with history which, says Prof Olusoga, is profoundly different from that of their parents and grandparents. TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". The following decades were taken up with popular and political rhetoric about immigration and parliamentary acts to limit blacks coming to Britain. A covering letter would be a courtesy but probably not a necessity. The historian tells Michael Segalov about getting up early, reading George Orwell, taking his dog George for a walk, playing his guitar This ignorant fellow should study historical facts, rather than believing and repeating lies and half-truths. But morals are very transient things. After decades of complaints, the Royal African Company lost its monopoly in 1712 and, Olusoga writes, Independent traders were turned loose upon the shores of Africa. These traders had argued (stone-blind to irony) that the right to enslave Africans was a defining feature of English freedom and that the Royal African Company had breached their status as free-born Englishmen. (As the first person to mention the Sokoto Caliphate ahh, forget it.). Separated from home and family and landed in the West Indies (countless numbers dying of suffocation during the journey, given that the people traffickers were packing the holds to maximise profits), the Africans had no recourse to the law, much less the conscience of their captors. Olusoga has benefited from and added significantly to the work of Fryer and other historians such as James Walvin. The German survivors of Stalingrad were sent to camps and most of them worked to death. is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on.. What has he got to say about that? How does it benefit anyone to make an issue about particular events? David Olusoga meets Janice Haber and her family, the descendents of Jewish . Shouldnt Olusoga be writing in Ubangi bantu-language? I still find arguing the toss, or watching others doing so, interesting partly because it shows how the viewpoints are divergent, how many arguments are self-interested, what social, cultural and economic forces are at work behind it all. Giles Terera, the Olivier award-winning British performer who starred in the popular theatre production Hamilton, has recently staged a play called the Meaning of Zong about the massacre of 132 enslaved Africans aboard the slave ship Zong in 1781 and the impact it had on Equiano. Shipwrecked off the coast of Africa, he, and other survivors, were taken by an African tribe as captives. A weekly round-up of some of the best articles featured in the most recent issue of the New Statesman, sent each Saturday. "This is a richer history as well as a necessary history; this is a more vivid history as well as a history that tells the back stories of more people in this country than the traditional narratives we've had.". Rather the constitution banned the slave trade and so it become economically worth it to make sure slaves lived longer. Very often shaped by the political, technological and economic forces of the times if the Western way of life had remained utterly dependent on Roman-style slavery, Im not sure wed ever have abolished it even amongst our own inhabitants. Peter Olusoga. I have a peeve about the BBC genealogical show Who do you think you are? which I dont know whether has been inflected upon the Left Pond. Inflaming the reader has no purpose relative to slavery. West Indians fought with the Allies more than a hundred were decorated. Get back to us when youve developed your historicalguiltometer. Theres no point pretending Europeans who profited from either the transatlantic slave trade or the use of slave labour in the Americas were somehow doing a favour to the slaves involved. To me personally, this is the thing. He talks about slavery because YOU care. The exception is Tim Worstall, who is truly the Ron Jeremy of blogging. Had a vault for the more inflammatory pieces. It began to alter (slightly) the history curriculum at university level: the first undergraduate one-year course on black British history and culture was taught at the University of Warwick in 1984. Davids all done. Then dont discuss it. It is a good deed that must not go unpunished. Africans had a demand for female slaves. I havent the faintest idea whether slavery in the Roman controlled areas of Britain was more along the continental Roman model or retained Celtic characteristics. 2023 BBC. Its extraordinary success rested upon the foundation of sympathy laid down during the previous 70 years of abolitionist activity in Britain. They may have been turning people they would have killed into a profitable commodity. December 2020. Mans a loon. It died out with the Romans leaving, and its non-legality repeatedly reaffirmed from the reign of the early Normans onwards. Ive always agreed that the Africans should pay reparations to the rest of us for dumping all those people they wanted to get rid of on us. (At least in our society) Get over it. Over 1000 years in Britain. He saw how enslaved people who had risen up were burnt to death, castrated or mutilated, punishments he regarded as merited. He presented the recent series of A House Through Time on BBC 2, and Black and British: A Forgotten History. What would happen to that money, who knows, but as its (or was) your money, thats between you and your grifter of choice. Hey, we do not even have to go that far. Olusoga is making an appeal to white guilt. The arguments do you want to get shaken down for several trillion?. Dr Peter Olusoga is a Senior Lecturer in Psychology. The Barbados slave code of 1661 stripped Africans of all human rights, and set out ways in which they were to be punished, to exert control over their labour (mutilation of the face, slitting of nostrils, castration, execution). Vikings took slaves, including exporting Anglo-Saxons (you must have heard the quote Non Angli, sed Angeli about the English slaves being sold in Italy? Full text must be online somewhere but theres an extract at https://www.history.co.uk/shows/the-real-vikings/articles/eyewitness-to-the-vikings. The evidence of this is that seasoned slaves, those exposed to the environment, sold for up to 50% more than new ones. And even if you personally disagree with it, what would be the strongest argument for some form of legal settlement? White people will take it. They also ran a slave trade to the Ottoman empire and white slavery in the north without any help from Europeans. This is nothing to do with slavery or as with black lives matter, blacks being shot, and everything to do with a shakedown of the white man. Instead the racket still goes on with endless boatloads of illegals swarming into Europe. David Olusoga, 49, is a television presenter and historian. In the USA? Obama had none. Sugar was king: originally a luxury, it became one of the main sources of calories for the British poor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr_Gide, Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me). The rest apart from Ireland (17, partly due to influence of aforementioned Patrick) set it younger. And the fact youre moved to tears by discovering for the first time a great-great-great-grandmother of yours was a prostitute single-mum with seven kids or a great-x5-uncle you had never heard of was imprisoned for murder, well, your utter lack of knowledge simply reveals how little youve been influenced by them, so youre hardly discovering a new facet of yourself at all. There is no reason to think one system was more or less brutal than the other. They did not pay for them and were going to kill a lot of them anyway. Needless to say, the national mood changed. Id agree that attitudes in the UK are approaching that situation, but theres still a long, long way to go yet. Not to say it was nice.. Check out the trailer for Peter Pan & Wendy, an upcoming live-action movie directed by David Lowery. During the Second World War, thousands of black American soldiers stationed in Britain were befriended by white Britons who opposed efforts by the white military to segregate them. "I first read it as a student and it struck me as something that was very different to other things I was reading about the Atlantic slave trade. Moreover its arguably unjust that only victims of still-extant states have a route to compensation whereas people from ethnic groups roughly contemporaneously massacred, enslaved and sacrificed by the Aztec Empire have nobody to sue. MBE: The problem with the UK paying reparations is that people like Olusoga would have to pay their share of the greatly increased taxes. Long after he had published Corydon, his defence of pederasty. The arguments do you want to get shaken down for several trillion? My family did nothing. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation? Im not even saying thats a convincing argument, it has some very serious weak points, just that I reckon its a stronger one than a general appeal about current inequality. Sooner or later, we whites are going to have to take a stand, and say we aint taking this any more. The South Sea bubble, the greatest financial crash of the 18th century, was intimately connected to Britains dealings with Africa, though this is rarely acknowledged by historians. The historian and producer said he wanted to. ", TV historian rejects 'nonsense' over keeping statues, What Black History Month is - and why it matters. "I have," he admits, "a habit of . Like I need to hand my cash to the next lass of Rus descent I see, lest she remind me of some unlucky slave-girl that may or may not have perished at the hands of my maybe-ancestors? Jamaicans and Nigerians used to hate each other. We do not know how great the demand for women was. My great grandfather fought to end slavery in a war. What do you think their stongest argument is? Pretty much everybody in the West is against slavery. The New Statesmans global affairs newsletter, every Monday and Friday. It built slave forts on the African coast, some such as Bunce Island in Sierra Leone furnished with a rape house. You lost those two. Maybe heard of Saint Balthild, seventh-century English lass sold into slavery, exported to the Continent, served in a palace and ended up marrying the Frankish King?). Flyover Americans arent going to take it. History is just one awful thing after another. Might, in this case, being 100% of the debating point. Some were sold to other African tribes and the rest kept as slaves. When I met her, ~1995, I started asking her questions about the war, as I thought she was a fabulous resource of information. "Equiano is the most important voice that we have from the British experience of slavery and the slave trade," he said. Over 150 years in America. In 1796, a bill was defeated by only four votes: a group of abolitionist MPs went to the opera and missed the vote. Required fields are marked *. The book accompanying. He has discovered new and exciting research materials in African archives, among them the Register of Liberated Africans in Sierra Leone, which list names, bodily details, ethnicity and origins, thus putting a human face on people otherwise treated as fodder and statistics. "Incorporating the stories of people like Equiano is merely part of a process of looking at all of British history; not just being selective, not only going to the chapters that make us feel good about ourselves or proud.". The UK, Norway, Benelux, Spain, Malta and Switzerland are, I believe, the only western European countries to set it at 16. And that still stands even if there really are a bunch of torturing murderers out there too. But it is Olusoga who keeps insisting that its the Brits who are uniquely responsible.. Olusoga was born in Lagos to a White mother and a Nigerian father who, I hate to say nautrally, did a runner. Olusogas stated purpose is to argue that black British history is not about migration and settlement, whether of black servants in the 18th century or black workers in the Windrush era. I was uncomfortable using it. And tolerance is not a given. Ironically, one of the sources we can turn to in order to learn more is his own accounts of late 17th-century Jamaica. I generally reckon cant blame me, my distant relative was on your side arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers. Surely the US has already spent much more than that on black Americans. . Needless to say they should pay us reparations for this too. That was a bad experience but he should know that you cannot judge a whole country by what happened when he was young. His dad met his mom at the city's university in the 1960s. There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. As Black British History Month draws to a close, TV historian Prof David Olusoga looks at the impact it's had - and how young people are taking it on. They are stupid false for America. . Sure. So he calls himself a Geordie. No member of my family ever owned slaves. It happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxc5ENT8ajg, https://www.history.co.uk/shows/the-real-vikings/articles/eyewitness-to-the-vikings, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestmannaeyjar, https://www.historytoday.com/archive/normans-and-slavery-breaking-bonds, https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/domesday/world-of-domesday/order.htm, Apparently Essay Mills Must Be Made Illegal, Why Oxfam Can Go Boil Their Heads Over Vaccine Patents, The real point about climate change is how cheap the solution is, The excellent Tim Worstall- The Register, Tim Worstall is a darn good economist- Don Boudreaux, Tim Worstall, you pendant- Polly Toynbee, .more sensible than most right wing nutjob bloggersBob Piper. Cheap ass presentism. But slaves were more valuable, so the British fought the Spanish for a share in the trade and eventually came to dominate it. As for the future, the University of Manchester professor says younger generations give him hope. I learned the hard way. "I don't know why this generation has a different relationship with the past, goes to the past, expecting and looking for different things to earlier generations, but that's really is my observation about them," he says adding the internet has played a huge part. Kyle Rittenhouse, unlike the rest of their sorry asses, did something. And so many hundreds of thousands of British workers were directly dependent on slavery (from sailors to those who built, rigged and repaired ships) that it was easy to turn a blind eye to the inhumanity. MyBurningEars August 30, 2020 at 3:31 pm Deliberately shipping that many people that far in order to participate in a newly-created society whose economic system was designed, pretty much from the ground up, around slave labour?, True that unlike certain other examples of slavery, you werent likely to be killed as part of a religious sacrifice or as part of your owners funeral., But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom.. Would also apply even if down a different family line there had been beneficiaries of the slave trade. "They do not want British history to be a catalogue of heroes and victories and glorious chapters," he says. This is indeed tu quoque. Not many remember anything about segregation either. Not good. I imagine few do. Olusoga patterns his narrative after Fryers, starting with the North African presence in Roman Britain. Although the bottom line is that no Black person remembers slavery. People seem pretty much agreed on what is right and what is wrong. Once insignificant villages, great cities such as Liverpool, Bristol and Glasgow sprang up on the profits of slavery. at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too.. Yet American slave-produced raw cotton continued to feed the 4,500 mills of Lancashire. Sign up to receive information regarding NS events, subscription offers & product updates. Over 1000 years in Britain. Peter completed his award-winning PhD, exploring stress and coping in elite sports coaching, at Sheffield Hallam in 2012. Purely speculatively, and as a matter of prediction rather than judging whats best, its hard to imagine large-scale reparations ever being adopted in Blighty because the ratio of losers to winners with the vote (presuming eg British Asians would be ineligible for compensation) is going to remain unfavourable and the cost of reparations across the relevant parts of the old Empire (if youre compensating British Jamaicans, presumably youre going to compensate all the Jamaicans in Jamaica once youve accepted the principle) would be considerable. Then, in October, came a breakthrough. One of his teachers had a coffee mug bearing a National Front slogan and another attacked him during a school trip, he said. His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. One person who had a huge impact on Britain was Olaudah Equiano, an enslaved man who bought his freedom and wrote compellingly about his experiences. Watching @worstall execute @richardjmurphy is like watching a very, very clever cat slowly killing at ataxic mouse. I suspect that whether records could prove it or not, its overwhelmingly likely to be true, especially since high-status individuals tend to make a bigger contribution to the gene pool. Prof Olusoga, the presenter of the A House Through Time TV series, calls it an act of "historical salvage" to bring to the fore the black British figures who had been "lost in the archives, completely forgotten". It was such a brilliantly organised programme of mass protest that slavery was declared abolished in 1833: 46,000 slave owners were given 20m in compensation (17bn in todays money), the largest payout in British history and 40 per cent of all government spending that year. Giles Terera, the Olivier award-winning British performer who starred in the popular theatre production Hamilton, has . That may have caused more violence. Theres probably more mileage in my country, or at least its historical incarnation, fought against it because unlike the actual people involved, the state is still around. not at all to disparage your ancestors GC. I was doing some genealogy research when I discovered my great grandfather was a well known member of the 18th Kentucky Infantry. See, five years ago I wouldnt have written a crass comment like that, but hey, times achanging and as financially independent with some FU-money, I dont have to worry about cancellation culture, LOL. One sporting event that has captured your imagination I was fortunate enough to get tickets to see some of the basketball at the London 2012 Olympics, so my brother and I went to watch the GB vs. Spain game. After all, adult males were all but worthless and demand for women might have been enough to drive the trade anyway. It wasnt always so & it may not be in the future. His rhetoric is to inflame the reader. But those were in those long-lost days when democrats and republicans could talk to each other and agree to disagree while both leaving the conversation a little the wiser. This is a moral argument. Intellectually more convincing anyway for practical and political purposes, demolishing a straw-man often makes a better video or audio clip while simultaneously making your opponents position sound stupid. But any planter who deliberately starved his slaves to death would quickly go bust. Societies have what morals suit them. No one has said we should not consider someone elses viewpoint. Its been banned for two centuries in Britain. If you are wracked with guilt, ashamed of your forebears, do it! Whitey bad, give me cash? Very little sugar on the mainland. Everyone was. Grew up in Quedlinburg. Guess wed have to print it. Have you ever read the account by Ibn Fadlan of a Viking funeral in Russia? No doubt life expectancy of a slave was shorter than that for a free man. Arguably wrong in a crimes against humanity way (similar language of natural justice and universal morality indeed being used by the abolitionists and the UK itself when it tried to enforce a ban on the trade) that made it inherently illegal even when governments tried to put it on a legal footing. Maybe Europeans did increase demand. In the late 1800's and early 1900's, 30,000 Jewish migrants from Russia and Eastern Europe settled in Manchester. Reasonable estimates have some 50% of the inhabitants of the Sokoto Caliphate as late as the late 19th cent being slaves. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Sugar plantations were bad. No other race / culture was willing and able to do that. Its been banned for two centuries in Britain. Thats why we get it. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . 7 years was the average working lifespan so it is said. He was born in Nigeria but arrived in the . If there were African states with legal continuity to those political entities which established and encouraged the African slave markets, they would be on the hook too, but theres a discontinuity due to colonialism and besides, everyone knows to sue the rich guy not the poor guy. Prof Darity and Ms Mullen outline that to eliminate the existing Black-White wealth gap an allocation of between $10 trillion and $12 trillion, or about $800,000 per black household, should be paid. Though I dont know where wed get $12 trillion in Confederate currency. Would probably have taken your suggestion as a challenge. What difference has it made? I cant see this one surviving people being expected to dig into their pockets for a few trillion. She had no interest in esoteric discussions of the war. He also studied at the University of Liverpool and so benefits from slavery as much as anyone else. Sooner or later, we do not want British history to be a but. 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