* Apparently, many of the leaders sent their kids to Harvest Academy and there is fear that their kids will be thrown out of school. Be imitators of God, as dearly loved children, and live a life of love, even as Christ loved us and gave Himself for us. hospitable EPISKOPOS, translated in English is an overseer or a bishop. In a statement written by church elders, the Chicago-area megachurch says they fired MacDonald for "engaging in conduct contrary and harmful to the best . They all seem to be on display at HBC. The thought has come to me again and again (others have expressed similar views) that the Church seems to recapitulate (history rhyming if not repeating exactly) Old Israel. I have been following this blog for a while but have not commented until now. The terminal stage 4 cancer exists. A group began meeting and praying together in 2011. I would like to believe, and I think theres pretty good textual evidence that this is valid, that what Jesus and the apostles intended (and that apparently did not continue for very long after the passing of the apostolic generation) was that the hierarchy would be a hierarchy of self-giving. Even during Christs life the disciples were weighing out who was most important and who would take the position above all the others. Directed by Dallas Jenkins (The Resurrection of Gavin Stone) and distributed by VidAngel Studios, The Chosen has grown to become the largest crowdfunded TV series of all time. I dont see how were in disagreement, at least in terms of practical application. The wheels of justice turn slowly. It didnt reveal anything new. This, along with the embracing of the whole seeker-friendly, mega-church model caused us to leave the church and people we loved, difficult as it was to explain. whether agnostic, atheist, muslim, hindu, buddhist, zoroastrian, wiccan, mormon, straight, lgbtq,. The people of God have forsaken their first love. Pathetic at best. They are crumbling under their current debt load that FRED saddled them with; still he brags. But the manner in which these charlatans lead indicates they dont really know Him they just use Him. I know we have to hunt to keep down the population of wild creatures, especially in areas where they dont have any natural predators, so they dont destroy the environment and/or starve. Im of course speaking about Paul. After seven years, the growing congregation of 500 raised funds in six weeks to secure a former warehouse at 800 S Rohlwing Road in Rolling Meadows. . One can only guess at the motive behind their inaction, but even with the most basic discernment skills one could easily surmise that the money train was at the heart. HBC leaders will have to give an account before God for these things. Lord knows weve had enough explosions in the modern church. The churchs vision was to plant 10 churches in 10 years. By 2002, our church-planting ministry Harvest Bible Fellowship (HBF) was formed, and ten churches were plantedin just four years! It just completely sets things up for abusive situations. Max: That clearly does not describe James MacDonald and HBC elders who are coming forth one at a time to confess their roles in the great deception in Chicago. I initially read that as bought him years of support.Same thing I guess. Im also going to be annoyed if James McDonald pulls a Mark Driscoll and starts up a new church. We must realize that there are certain qualifications given concerning elders. Personally, I neither know, nor do I think it much matters, how many, if any mortals are in on the conspiracy I still believe it exists and is succeeding admirably. He is already in the process of trying to reboot his digital ministry (WITW)and is romancing wealthy donors in Naples, FL from the $1.2M home in Naples that Harvest rented for him. Remove the plank so the splinter can be clearly seen. Temptation sharp and keen. Ken F (aka Tweed): I only point out that the historical evidence is not what we protestants want it to be. Whether or not those offices were appropriate, church history shows they developed early and were ubiquitous. Conversational-type sermons, contemporary worship music, come-as-you-are. all of this is deeply regrettable. ex HCA Staff: This is how all men will know that you are my disciples, because you have such love for one another.. Harvest CEO J Scott Milholland, was one of the men who was responsible for the $10M year secret Black Fund which was used to grossly enrich the top 20 execs at Harvest (including Dallas Jenkins). After two years of searching without success, a generous supporter offered Harvest her property650 beautiful, wooded acres on a lake in Newaygo, Michiganand Camp Harvest was launched on July 28, 2002. ++++++++++++++++++. They are not pretty. I didnt want these points to go unmade. And its always dangerous when two fabrics team up. The images of Christs mother Mary witnessing her sons torture, the glances and faces of the cast Mel Gibson portrayed were (and frankly still are) made to elicit deep evil and were very frightening to see, and the utter agony of Christs pain was so graphic, I still cant erase it from my memory. All three of those aspects are absent from the biblical directives in providing care and oversight to Gods children. Or, in English, We are Harvest a vertical church in two locations in West Michigan (Spring Lake. Lowlandseer: The elders [PRESBUTEROS] who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder [PRESBUTEROS] and a witness of the suffering of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed; shepherd [POIMEN] the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers [EPISKOPOS], not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly. (1 Peter 5:1-2). He promised never to leave me, Thompson walked away from Harvest in 2013. but i have gained a newfound joy in being a member of the human race. said THATS what Jesus did for YOU!. We must put our unreserved trust in God alone, and to at least some degree view all men even our most trusted loved ones by their fruits. If Paul was a rogue usurper, Luke was the co-conspirator who legitimized the takeover. Yes, we must preserve the right to arm bears. Revamping the financial transparency laws for 501-c3 religious entities would be a good start. and they have everyone scared spitless that if they vocalize their concerns about what is unethical in their church, & in their tribe, they will disappoint God, Thousands came and all seven campuses hosted these spectacular services all at one location! No judgment from me. Yep, thats the house on a private lake, Thompson said. Or allowed to keep anything hidden from those who are part of the community? This could be real or fabricated, such as recordings of people, say, playing the Name Game, or threats of kicking their kids out, planting child porn on their devices or otherwise destroying their reputations. Dallas Jenkins: commenting from anonymous online handles. Ill have to ruminate on that a while. Dallas Jenkins was a former leader at Harvest Bible Chapel. Max: My understanding is that Driscoll also consulted with Gateway. (Dee). Dallas failed to mention that Fred Adams, James MacDonald and Luke MacDonald were listed as Producers for one of his film projects. It is difficult to not imagine that the overly generous salaries passed out at Harvest have a lot to do with the leaders who refuse to call for the opening of the books. That changed on Friday. Thats a rare bird, indeed, in the American church. I guess Dallas understands the power of the written word on the internet. Also want to acknowledge it took courage to write that letter knowing your children might be kicked out of school. God looks lovingly upon your confusion and pain, and wants nothing more than for you to find and know him as he truly is, apart from all of the hypocrisy and falsity that parades as the institutional church. I remember it vividly because our child was very, very deeply disturbed and upset, AS WAS I. I had not ever seen the movie, nor intended to ever see it. The church needs the wisdom of age coupled with the energy of youth young folks to speed things up a bit, old folks to slow it down when necessary. Its amazing. People were dying for this faith from the very beginning, which suggests that it was not merely wishful thinking about some made up traditions. They are set in place as the shepherds of Gods people, and thus are the care takers of the spiritual needs of the church. The official anniversary date was September 18, 2018. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Craig French: Thanks for confirming the authenticity of the content, Dallas. I never thought I would say such a thing about a church plant but, these young reformers are more about planting reformed theology, rather than Gospel churches. Just them asking me to become an elder told me something was wrong. Maybe we should have been, and still should be, picketing in front of Driscolls new church, handing out pamphlets including some of his more famous woman-degrading statements? I am very glad for all your comments on this site. Unless it was a danger to someone. I understand He loves us to infinity as my 6 year old likes to say, but it sure wouldve been nice if pastor had given parents of small children some kind of warning. We were hissing at them Close you eyes! and doing our best to throw ourselves in front of the smallest ones. It is not elaborate but adequate for what we seek to do for Gods Kingdom. I dont know, if one follows Twitter, there are several who have commented that attended church with JMac in his youth, and they have nothing positive to say about him or his character from way back. Where in scripture does God say that elders have authority over those they care for, or that elders should rule over them? To no avail, because his problem is not that he struggles with imperfection but that he is a fake, a phony, a self-seeking narcissist who manipulates and abuses others for self profit and aggrandizement. All of these men, who were deeply involved long-term under visible, ungodly leadership have a lot to answer for. 4107 N Steele Blvd, Fayetteville, AR, 72703, United States. As the Lord continued to increase our congregation in depth and number, we outgrew the Rolling Meadows Campus. . That was in response to PJ. Sure, an innocent, upright person could be naively drawn into something they thought was worthy. Theyre showing their colors alright. He will be infecting thousands more with his toxicity, greed, vulgarity and cruelty. Humility is required. During this season, we are encouraging everyone to give online and that can be done by clicking the button below. A narcissist is very good at manipulating people, and very patient. Maybe thats why the history of the church is a history of exodus from established groups and setting up of new ones? At this point however the narrative cannot be controlled by people because God Almighty is acting now. Open Discussion Page. I dont know if its just that I got old enough and wise enough to start seeing it or cynical and hardened as I got older, but after going through the 1980s and 1990s able to find what I thought were decent churches, for over a decade I havent to find a place that isnt abusive, heretical, led by a narcissist or all the the above. As Lauren Diagle says it so very well: Im losing my religion/ To find You/ Im losing my religion, and finding something new/ Cause I need something different/ And different looks like You/. Im amazed to find Im not alone on this. . Rich: I think theres a massive problem with the deference thats given to pastors and other religious leaders. Why, dontcha know God inspired Paul to speak his thoughts, and me your trusted pastor to interpret them rightly? The history of church offices is a bit more complicated. Surely some student got it on their phone. Women's Bible Study. I believe if Jesus was here today, He would be sitting around the campfire drinking beer with the boys! Max responding properly (thats all I will say). Then in great heresy he says Mormons have the same Jesus as evangelicals! Since beginning its training center, Harvest Bible Chapel has helped established over 193 church plants across the country and around the world. Dont get me wrong, Pauls writings have many great and wonderful things to say, but when the descriptive gets blurred with the universally prescriptive, what results is just another destructive ideology. We all are that person which is why we still need Jesus daily to save us from our continuing sin patterns in our life. Begin your journey with the prayer. These charlatans cannot be allowed to get away with this. (They had to turn away so many customers while the church buses pulled up singing hymns for what had effectively become sold-out private showings.). In the military, the largest combat unit in which the commander leads from the front is the battalion, about 300-400 combat troops. What in the world is going on? Christian celebrities would have no stage to perform on if they didnt have an audience willing to buy tickets. Dallas Jenkins: I wish that the decision to be a public figure in this scandal was left to the individual, not to third parties. ++++++++++++++++++++++. Yikes! Wartburgers, perhaps they are coming to a church near you! He intended this confession to go to elders onlyand is angry that it got into the hands of those not in that rarified air. Shes gone out of her way to state otherwise. We were in a panic, didnt have enough hands to scramble around and cover all their eyes, which, up to this point, had been quite innocent. Harvest Christian Fellowship is a megachurch in Riverside, California. Made a lot of money, enjoyed the fruits of fame that was a product of his professed following of Jesus. Please think about all the others who will fall under these cultic practices if these perpetrators and their deeds are not brought into the open. You dont get to ask for silence now. Precept Inductive Bible Study for Women. As Law Prof noted, JMac is not your usual run-of-the-mill preacher he had an international stage he had thousands of followers he failed you, HBC, and the church at large he has disqualified himself from ministry. For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a mans enemies are the members of his own household. Each church is completely autonomous, and thus, as it was written, appoint elders in every church, Truly, we need to follow the design God laid out for the church, for in so doing, we will benefit. Redemption is a gift, freely offered to one and all. The Elders and the search team felt unified in their decision and confident in Gods hand in providing the Bucknams to our church family. You have not taken full responsibility for your actions. Peter wrote, Shepherd the flock of God which is among you Paul said, take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers The number of bishops is always plural, but the jurisdiction of these overseers is singular. Their motives seem to have got in the way of what character development might otherwise have taken place (which certainly is reminiscent of present conditions in at least some of the churches). The churches have become the world. There is more than enough dirt throughout this enterprise to make one doubt the integrity or honesty of anyone who was ever long a part of it. Was it because he met the qualifications for eldership? Many needy men get their egos stroked, while the women see through the charade. If people develop real relationships, they might start talking and could stand up against the abuse. In reality, it lost about $29,000. But this just doesnt seem to fit. Every weekend we open the word of God and study the truth He has revealed to us. Instead, the cowriters hope that the show will encourage viewers to read the gospels with renewed passion. I guess thats why I share my story, in hopes that others can be forewarned. elastigirl: perhaps the other side of this coin can be the joy and happiness of discovering the magnificence of fellow human beings outside the context of christian culture. There have been countless decisions made for Christ at Camp Harvest, along with the immeasurable life-transforming impact on countless students, men, women, and families. (As well as send a message to any possible Dissidents.) I approve as soon as I have a moment. About a year ago, Jenkins stepped off the Moody Board of Trustees. elastigirl: this is because the powerbrokers have the mic, Reminds me of something an old saint whispered to me on our way out of a contentious church business meeting You shouldnt give the devil the microphone., elastigirl: the powerbrokers have everyone brainwashed that the institution is too big to fail. *the church is in a happier healthier place as a result of the accountable actions of James up urs Sherwood like to MacDonald. . ++++++++++++++++++++. (just like Adam hearkening to his wife in the garden huh?) They tolerate whatever they must (loud music, annoying demands for money, sermons that go in one ear and out the other) in order to establish a community of friends and support in a cold world in which family is often spread across the continent. I judge not those who remain I truly understand the depth of the manipulation but hope they do not fall victim to the crisis of faith and to the abyss that often follows when all youve built your faith on falls to ashes. However, unfaithful leaders who pursue anything but the cause of Christ as the primary driver for ministry fall easily for all three. But, I aint Paul, so I suppose I will just have to wait and see how this sorts itself out in eternity. . I was there for 10 years and my daughters both attended Harvest Christian Academy and I had been asked to consider eldershipwe left in 2012 after repeated warnings from former elders. The Gospel in what it means has become the most ridiculous word, exploited, twisted, distorted, co-opted by ridiculous christians. And check your privilege while youre at it. Our musicians have taken to heart the mission, core, and purpose of Vertical Church music: To write songs of ascription for the church to use in worshiping Christ around the world. The false institutional church was reconstituted by Constantine, who asserted the right to define and regulate what was orthodox and permissible. Its repulsive that he has to be in fear of his kids kicked out of HCA. Dallas, however, prefers a different medium film. He lied. You have any lies and untrue rumors to highlight that are being spread here, out with them. Harvest Bible Chapel Buffalo 135 subscribers Everything from The Chosen, Harvest Bible Chapel, 5am Writing, and more! Thats their business, doesnt have jack to do with church abuse. MacDonalds lavish lifestyle drove Thompson to leave the church. Our youngest daughter, Leah was married this week to Alexei, a wonderful young man! You are wrong on that point.The NT writers do make the point that there should be payment and encourage readers to do so. I suspect that even MacDonald started out with good intentions (maybe), but when the accolades and money started streaming in started gambling with success. After a long season of fasting and prayer, in 2003 we were given the Elgin Campus. The Didache and letters of Ignatius and Clement confirm this, as well as other writings from the early second century. I believe that if I hadnt been a strong donor, I would not have been considered and wouldnt have vaulted through Harvest leadership over more deserving peers. Be wary of falling into the trappings you so boldly wish expose. Currently, the Dallas Jenkins net worth is $1.5 million. It's God who opens doors, but we must walk through them. Your actions are tell tale in what you believe regard God and Jesus his son. In church context, it may even be worse than the secular business context because in addition to the objective institutional power wielded by the narcissist CEO, there is the presumption of divine authority which legitimates the misuse of power. This helped to hit the revenue target and qualify for Executive bonuses.. I thought my disgust for James MacDonald was as low as it could go, but when I saw that photo, it took another nosedive. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. (Ephesians 5:11). His arrogance and rage unbalances him. I am not suggesting that this is or is not the way Jesus intended for his church. AND PREACHER-MAN INFLICTED THAT ON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS? I guess the other 25% are hoping to get some plum positions. Which really Goes against believing in an all powerful creator God almighty. What was your salary Dallas for all your effort to misuse & misappropriate church tithes? If leaders and led live like this, the details of polity scarcely matter. Within that letter was something that broke my heart and caused me to realize that James MacDonald is a mean, churlish, old man that should never be allowed anywhere near a pulpit. Fans of hit TV series The Chosen know creator Dallas Jenkins' "five loaves and two fish story". Your story matches what I hear from lots of people. .. Some might even suggest it seems suspiciously tied to new disclosures concerning films he made, gambling issues which have also concerned both Dallas and his father, etc. The qualifications are very restrictive for the reason that God wants and needs the best possible candidates to lead His people. And who appoints the elders (Disciples are no longer with us) if every church is autonomous? He added the promise of millions of dollars in renos and expansions, via the Closer Campaign, in order to sweeten the pot. Theres an AUTHENTICITY in there. Didnt Paul rejoice from prison that the gospel was preached, whether from false motives or true? The only reason you dont want exposure is because you dont want damage to your film career. Ego-stroking that includes WOMAN, SUBMIT!!!! If bolstering the credibility of truth-tellers is a problem to you, your commitments are misplaced (to put it mildly). We have partnered with Grace Theological Seminary and Chicago Partnership to move onward in equipping leaders to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Prayer and then in person, second after trying that, you are to take a witness in Christ / go with a brother in Christ to confront, then and only then you must take the church elders and confront your brother that he may turn and forsake his sins. And what is love? humble. It is somewhat inevitable, as their theology asserts that the lost are not so much lost as rejected and doomed by eternal decree from the get go. Harvest members face losing their church homes over this man, yet he is planning on exporting this secret personal enrichment scheme, that is not at arms length, throughout the U.S. As Paul cautioned the church at large to beware of Alexander, he has done us much harm, so the watchblogs speak to inform and warn other believers to be wary of certain leaders. After seven years, the growing congregation of 500 raised funds in six weeks to secure a former warehouse at 800 S Rohlwing Road in Rolling Meadows. This place needs to be shut down. Now they want it back. Many have joined the Done ranks done with the institutional church, but not done with Jesus. Today, CBS Chicago featured Former Harvest Bible Chapel Members Want $72,000 In Donations Refunded, After Pastor James MacDonald Fired Their strong Christian beliefs led Scott and Marsha Thompson to volunteer at Harvest Bible Chapel, and donate more than $72,000 over the course of several years. Will they stay quiet on "awkward" victim stories? A continual cycle without end. I certainly have my doubts that Paul would be rejoicing over the likes of MacDonald, Hybels, Driscoll, and countless others who have taken advantage of the Body of Christ over the last 2,000 years. Its also possible it wasnt a continuous period of teaching, that there were times when they all had to go to work because they had families to support. Thrilled for both of them as they start their life together. Great! bad things will happen to them, Iowa Steve: Maybe Christianity in all its forms has reached the Tipping Point Where enough believers realize their belief doesnt work for them anymore and Christianity will fade away? Youre right to say kind of. Were more or less on the same page, it sounds like. In preparation for the milestone anniversary of 30 years, it seemed fitting to host all our campuses together for Good Friday and Easter Sunday at the Sears Centre Arena. Everything after those three paragraphs is my comment. yup, great biblical example here! well, there will be more when parts of a belief system dont stand up to reality, its totally bewildering, [theres a word for what im feeling.it escapes me. I would ask that you take some time to think about it. I think these gifts are operating as God intended, outside of the systems weve designed and created. I think you are correct in noting this early Church writer's statements. One can attempt to form a very egalitarian group where no one is in charge, but it only works until a dysfunctional person makes a power grab. Give them what they want in the present, and they wont care about the past. Trust (Cambridge Dictionary): to believe that someone is good and honest and will not harm you, or that something is safe and reliable. As their hands touched and their lips met, the ragin river pulled them down. Aka dead church. 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