Please do not copy, reproduce, or translate any articles without permission. Any advice anyone wants to throw my way is welcome. Let it drop now, and eventually you may become good friends with this person and have the pleasure of building their KALLAX. British/Irish person: *forgets about it in the cold light of day* OR *texts to say, So I was serious about seeing that film. I grew up in a neighborhood where everyone was always dropping by each others houses all the time, and I HATED it. If the plans have nothing to do with me at all I have no trouble listening in and being happy for people doing fun things. Shes my full time carer and she has a job, so housework is one more stressor. But with more scheduling and perhaps busier roads and less societal tolerance for kids walking somewhere by themselves, maybe the amount of arranging that a kid can take on at a given age and ability level has decreased. How about you suggest the idea to him in a way that will make it impossible for him to say no. Do they seem like friendly types who are happy with more people around, or are they more choosy about who they want to associate with? Get a small to medium sized bag for your things. Its the soft no issue. How Should I Handle My Man Forgetting My Best Man Poem Ideas for a Brother's Wedding. Its not some kind of moral failing. If I am picking you up at a certain time, best practice dictates that you are at the door, ready to go. Different people have different expectations for what a friendship will look like, and different needs re: social and alone time. Im the same way. It might just be easier to never mention social plans around her, but thats not really a sustainable optionis it? I once traveled to my old uni town to check out my old haunts (also birdwatching. I definitely prefer the anonymity of living in an apartment in a city famed for its unfriendliness. I was going to post something about how poly relationships can make this complicated, but your post points out that a lot of that really does get contained in two-person relationships too. I dont think I know anyone without a cell phone, so let me pick up the random stuff that wanders out into the family room and put it back where it climbed out of. I would chalk that one up to bad ex and forget about it. It is at someones home, and if you were invited, youd already be invited, or the person will use this conversation to specifically invite you by adding If you are free, you are welcome to come. Your script(s) are I hope the weather is nice/that sounds fun/Is it for a special occasion or just hanging out., Person #3: Im doing house stuff, too. They also only had this happen to them twice before they stopped showing up early. I love this and will use it always. She made it to the wedding, informed me the night before she was supposed to arrive at my house that she would be staying with someone else, and left the wedding early. Ask him if it is cool to come over or if he would keep you company while your friends come back. im just saying that i didnt invite you is not a reason, but i would rather go with my bestie is. How do you meet your friends? Its not a thing where assumptions will actually pay off. (As opposed to, we work together and you are telling me about your kids wedding shower or whatever.). Well, one way is not to mention things to people if theyre not invited. The sorts of people who like unexpected drop-ins will respond seamlessly with the right noises, the ones who dont can say sorry, busy or even yeah, lets go to Local Coffee Shop. Especially ride-share to that conference, carpool, etc. Or a girl invites you over to her house straight from a dating app? Is it cool if I go to that? Im actually good at reading body language and other social cues, when everyone around me isnt lying to me all the time. Copyright 2011 thru 2023 Jennifer Peepas, all rights reserved. Having my room tossed like I was a prisoner in a maximum security prison (into my twenties) means that drop-ins wont ever happen. My SOs (large, close knit) family is terrible for this, especially since my SO is building a house right now and we have an adorable newborn baby. Absolutely. My house is not actually that much messier than some of my friends who dont mind saying shove over the laundry basket and nudge the books out of your way, welcome to my home. Hey, these new gaslights I bought, arent they great? The Captains advice is golden. People might suffer my presence, but a lot of invites were basically to everyone in the group but me and maybe one or two other fringe members. Call or ask the guy in person. I think thats *incredibly* relevant to this issue. I have a very polite no soliciting sign on the gate. My interpretation isnt that the world has changed to respect peoples boundaries, its that the world (as I experience it) has changed in response to technology and moving to a big city from a small town and that my anxieties havent grown less because boundaries are different, they have just shifted their arena. Pare it down to the necessities. Mind you, mine is always early so Ive never had a chance to try this but it could work. Back in high school when I lived in that neighborhood, people would more often than not wait in their cars unless they wanted to stop in and chat before we went wherever we were going). Every situation is different. Either the object of your attention will track you down when their schedule clears, or theyll drift back into your orbit in some serendipitous way a few months down the road and youll have the opportunity to try again, or they wont. Hi all, long time lurker, first time commenter I have seen this from both sides of the dropping by conundrum. Maybe. She thought I didnt like her anymore because I never just dropped by to see her. Their DNA will be rearranged to spell people are different, try to tactfully and honestly ask whats on their mind. If she asks to go to yours, you can defer; "yes, I will have to invite you over soon". Thinking about this some more, the bottom line for me about how much arranging is needed beforehand is how much am I going to have to change my plans now that you are here? Any self-respecting grownup should have mouthwash and face-wash readily available for exactly these types of situations (and hopefully for themselves on any other normal night). On the topic of work drop-bys as compared to home drop-bys, specifically the vibe created by the interruption: I have been very firm that we can invite her friends to our home or to a public place like a park but we cant tell them we are coming to them. Okay, then, (and I do appreciate being included finally!) Only me. Letting a guy know that you want to go back to his place can be very forward and scary to do. Additional awkwardness if I have company already and didnt invite the drop-inner. ", (Hearing about a party an acquaintance is throwing) "Sounds like fun. I would add one small nugget. (Nearby happens alot, because the supermarket is right across the street.). But, these are very close friends; if they sent me the same thing Id be comfortable with a love to see you, but Im not changing out of my jammy pants or brushing my hair type of answer. Sometimes she was angry, and Id apologize. PLEASE CALL ME. Im very sorry that there was a miscommunication, and I hope well have a chance to get together soon., The script you REALLY need, though, is for your friend: Friend, we like seeing your cousin occasionally, but she seems to think that any invitation to you includes her as well, and thats not actually the case. Its like having a conversation vs reading my mind. Looking back on it I can see my mother had some pretty serious anxiety issues that we kids had no clue about at the time, but the whole thing has had a lasting effect on me. Wait until you know him better. Remember to be yourself and be cool and casual during the conversation. Just because someone says you did something wrong doesnt make you a stupid or wrong person, and it doesnt even make what you did wrong. It takes a certain level of presumption about how close your friendship is to ask someone else to host you, so if youre not 99.9% sure that person would like you to invite yourself over, avoid inviting yourself over. But the script Id suggest for other events is, Cousin, this is really awkward, but we planned for a specific number of people and Im afraid we just cant have you over this time. I dont think you did it deliberately or out of meanness, but it can feel that way when youre trying to African Violet someone without telling them thats what youre doing. Things have changed since I was young. Get a chain and a deadbolt if you dont have one. Thats allowed too. Not only do people knock on the door randomly to see how the house is coming along, but many of them just WALK RIGHT IN! Another thing you can try is to organize a book night. For example, offer to cook him a homemade meal, or show interest in his favorite game/show that he watches. What about a SO situation? Also, your tone is coming across as really abrasive and dismissive, just so youre aware. Moreover, I dont quite understand what I said wrong (I wish I could remember the exact words I used). But if the loading zone is filled, the driver ends up inconvenienced, so if the driver has no other passengers Ill do what my spouse prefers and wait outside for them. There aren't any hard and fast rules. I completely plan to be where we said, when we said! Still on for tonight? sounds a bit less pointed than Are you actually running on time today?. I know my grandmother wasnt wild about it, but she clearly gave up trying to set that boundary some time in the early 1980s and ended up just expecting the rudeness. Its shame cleaning for me, because although I have battled my way out of squalor, my day-to-day living situation is still a good few degrees below what most people consider lived-in levels of clutter. I can think of lots of reasons, some of which have her unhappier with the work drop by. Often, when a guy invites you over, it could be because he is wanting to take the relationship to the next level and make a move. that may just be me, i guess. However, I dont always like to do that because people dont arrive right on the dot, so it can mean standing around in rain or cold weather. I mind people seeing things that I put away when I know people are coming. They also make me pretty tired. She almost immediately told me something along the lines of, "Great, when should we meet up at your house to play?" Ever. But I am not likely to become someone whose housekeeping and decorating skills occasion effusive positive comment. As cute as it might seem that he's thinking about you at 1 a.m. on a Saturday night after he's left the bar with his buddies and wants to see you last minute, it's not cute at all. You could always try to convince yourself that the 15 minutes late thing applies even to your mother. He will get the point. This sort of thing reminds me that the only era for which I know there were clear and universally followed rules about this sort of thing, it was Regency era England, when people* would drop by during a clearly defined period of the day for a morning call, for about 20 minutes, and your butler could declare that you were not at home if you didnt want to see them. 21. A lot of people have an opinion on whether it's okay for someone to invite themselves to an event or not. You dropped in and your neighbors offered you a Coke and you laughed and chilled out for half an hour and then you left. I cringe looking back on friendships where I was getting soft nos for literally months and cheerfully failing to put them into context (Hmm, maybe this person who is always busy and never calls me back doesnt want to see me! Then again, those were people who didnt expect you to drop every little thing to amuse them, and before living in a way that wouldnt allow for friends to stop by without cleaning for hours werent a thing, either. Remember to be also clear about when you intend to arrive and take your leave so that he does not feel bombarded. But thats not whats happening here. I never knew how long the visit would be. Which goes to show how very individual the boundaries are. we dont all have to be the best of friends, but when i get signals that someone doesnt want to spend time with me, i dont think of that person as a friend. You want to leave open the lines of communication, but otherwise treat her as you would a casual friend you were getting to know for the first time. It could also mean that he really enjoys your company and just wants to hang out. Do not copy, print, or repost entire posts elsewhere without written permission. And I never, never drop by someone elses house without warning! Especially if you guys have only been friends 2-3months. I mean, thats a short enough time that a drive can easily vary by that much depending on how you hit traffic lights. 18 He Wants You: He'll Make Random Excuses To Talk To You. If someone asks what I am doing or was doing [at such and such a time] and the detailed answer is something fun without you. If I answer at all I say I had dinner plans with a friend how was your weekend? or I had a bunch of stuff going on- I am actually kind of glad to be back to work. But thats really about it. Theres a difference between mentioning and discussing, though, eh? My familys got some issues. If he is a gamer, you may offer to have a gaming night at his place. YES SAME. Or in the North, for heat-related reasons, and also only one of us should have to brave the cold and ice. But I fight against that urge, because, if they are going to be my friend, they might as well see my clutter up front and be okay with it. 3. Home Security / By loviehomes. Before you invite girls to your place, know what to text her: Once you have sorted your logistics, you have to text her your plan: Books take some time to finish, so if he invests that time in an interest that you have, that may mean he likes you. Im not sure if its germane to this issue, but I considered her until about a year ago my best friend. Oh god. We slept at one anothers houses. Even if its not exactly only friends from work invited, it gives a socially polite reason for friend to say that its not an open invitation. Eventually the pursued individual just grows weary of all the unwanted attention, and starts responding sharply (if they respond at all) when the other person wont gracefully take the hint and back off. To me, it matters what sort of event it is. Clutter is one thing trying to (unsuccessfully) clean up after 7-, 14-, and 44-year-old males in my house is something completely different. Yeah, there are lots of reasons somebody might feel like they need to clean for hours to have people over. I love tacos. If they say any form of Thanks, but or That wont work this time because (reasons) or Aw, I wish I could but I have to. I called her up, hey, Id love for you to come, havent heard back, let me know. You are invited to the birthday party of my sweet little baby who is turning one on coming Sunday. ", but if you let them know you're interested too, they'd be more than happy if you came. I never quite mastered the maintenance part of cleaning, so having people over is a BIG DEAL. I totally understand that shame cleaning is a thing and I know the shame aspect of cleaning comes from a wide array of sources both personal and cultural and have felt/done it myself in certain circumstances. I wish I had pulled back way way in the beginning but I craved the friendship and closeness. Whether youre in your 20s or 50s, you still dont want to come on too desperate or too strong at the same time. Then, and this is the important part, drop way WAY back in your efforts to get together with her. So I would say oh well Im free this afternoon too if you want to hang out actually no because reason OR that sounds like fun! the next day why didnt we hang out yesterday?. She still isnt invited and she still isnt coming in. To go to his door Id have to find a parking spot (often tricky, could be blocks away), pay for parking, walk to his door, and use the buzzer which just calls his cell phone anyway! I havent seen anyone else since I got stuck here, and it is horrible, but Im vulnerable, and need to enforce my boundaries for the time being. If she makes a load of fuss and noise? When I get back into the world we wont be able to do spur of the moment stuff any more either, but my real friends understand that, and also respect my need for privacy. Yes, and it is impolite to place that responsibility and discomfort upon them merely because one isnt very good at picking up on social cues. Hilariously, when he came to pick me up recently he was going to come to the door and ring the bell, but Id seen the car drive up and was ready to go. There have been periods of many months for me, particularly when my mental health was poor, when I checked in with my best friends almost every day, and had they been physically available I might have asked for a hug too. There are a lot of things to talk about in this world. You could also say Want some company for the street fair? In general, guys are simple-minded and you will have to steer them in the direction you want. I actually thought about the nude Brazilian implications but I couldnt figure out a way to phrase it that didnt include them. I have had folks invite themselves over the same day and I have wangled it into lets meet at the bar rather than shame-cleaning or not being able to kick them out when I am sleepy, if its someone you feel you cannot say no to (but just know you can always say no). Even if I want to do that thing, I resent the implication that friend doesnt care to consider whether I want to or not. Oh man, indeed. YEARS! I dont even have any kind of disorder that would affect it, Im just a huge introvert. So I certainly think its possible that some kids would benefit from more guidance/help at a given age than others, and based on Elizabeths description of the situation, her son definitely might be one of them. You could for instance say, I would like to invite you over to my place but my roommate is not so cool with that . I think your ex had issues. 1. Most of the time its a welcome treat and diversion in my day. If a friend texts me to say Hey, just bought a new bike at the shop around the corner, can I stop by on my way home and show it to you? then I wont mind coming out onto the driveway for 10 minutes to admire the bike and catch up. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. What is it about gaming people that makes them like this? I read around before writing this article, to see what other people had to say on the subject. It indicates that he wishes to engage in sexual activity. The issue of social anxiety has been brought up already, but maybe they have, say, a job that saps all their social energy and they want to spend their day off resting and browsing tumblr? Yes to this Meanwhile I prefer for casual-visit to mean lets go out to the coffee shop, even though that really strains my budget, because I both have executive function issues that affect my house and experience a lot of shame over those issues. and my shame level is much much higher and so I never have people over without a sometimes-tearful marathon clean that leaves me too exhausted to enjoy it. When I was young it was normal to go knock on someones door, but you always either invited them outside to play or over to your house, you never invited yourself in. Shes just rude. Indeed, Arkadyrose did fine. More like quasi-grudging, quasi-cheerful wellp, this is what society expects houses to be cleaned like, so Im getting there slowly stuff. But he won't care and that won't matter to him. I literally hid from them a few times, even though my mom told me I was being rude. Im loving the fictional examples everyone is giving here. Even if I cant have that, I do like the occasional text of Im at the grocery store near you; how about I stash my stuff in your fridge and we hang out for a bit? on random evenings. I think one of the key pieces there, too, is that there was a clearly-defined room for doing the visiting in, which was otherwise generally not lived in. Brief excerpts (<250 words) may be shared with attribution & a link to the original post. AUGH the theres always a but makes me so RAGEY. In short, she limits my ability to say no graciously. Im in the I love random visitors camp, but Ive also got a very strong case of friends accept me as I am fallacy when it comes to those unexpected visitors intersecting with chores. In this situation there's likely an unofficial standing offer where anyone who's interested can show up. This thread has actually helped ease my guilt about not liking spur-of-the-moment visitors, even if these visitors are friends of mine. If he thinks there's a chance you might show up with your suitcase trying to stay the weekend, he'll be more apt to shut your dinner-and-a-movie suggestion down. Something that we have found interesting in many of these cases is that women generally tend to play dumber for guys. You should wash all the dishes and clean the dirty parts of the floor. Me: Ummm have fun? Walk up to my door Ideally, if possible, you should be on the look-out for their car and come out as soon as you see them. ), I wasnt invited! And then, if they feel differently about this issue, they say something dismissive, and then you 1) KNOW that they feel differently, and 2) can say, Im just not comfortable showing up somewhere unless I have an invitation. And thenagain, this works best if youre close, I thinkmaybe they remember to invite you in the future. For the chronic advice-givers, this usually takes me repeatedly saying I know youre trying to help, but Im just venting right now so I dont want advice, thanks. I used to get REALLY angry about it, but eventually I realized that most people arent my horribly abusive family: they are genuinely trying to help, and will stop once you tell them that its not helping, rather than continuing until you start crying uncontrollably and agreeing to do whatever they say. We have a mutual friend who does this semi-regularly, and I love him, but I am a little feral cat and unexpected intrusions into my territory make me antsy for the rest of the day! And Ill send that message a week or two in advance. understanding what the other person wants you to do or say about it Im yet another person who doesnt go to things unless explicitly invited. Plus, this way, your fun activity is already planned out. It still feels rude to me (especially early in a relationship) but I dont want to be like the letter writers dad who gave her such a hard time. I had to train myself not to. ? And its always after the fact so by the time theyre talking about the next outing theyve forgotten all about how I used my words before, and Im just as uncomfortable inviting myself along as always. (I have no qualms about putting the dogs outside if I spot proselytizers or door-to-door salespeople coming down the street, but I wont put the dogs out if someone is already inside the yard.). Where I grew up there was an open door culture. I can still say no of course, but it becomes rather rocky when it shouldnt have to. It should never sound like you're begging to come over to his place. LW, it seems possible that your workmate also regards home visits as a level of intimacy that is too much for a co-worker. One time, someone who knew my other half turned up at my house where he was staying at around 4pm, and was still there at 9pm. An unannounced home-visit, however, doesnt have a built-in time limit, and this might be part of the reason she is not open to them. 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