Somerton could hardly be >>>>>> described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. >What else could> he call it? WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a He is not exactly voicing his thoughts. He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. But which'party' is Bill referring to? It was in the trailer or a TV spot. These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Bill> has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. In the bathroom scene, there is no way to tell if Mandy has that freckle, because of her slouched position, which also makes it hard to tell her height in relation to Bill. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? Before warning him, the "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. Mandy was not the same woman. Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. > The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. Indeed, the film iscentrally concerned with the failure of a 'male-centric' andpatriarchal ideology to deal with female desire; and the narrativethrust of the film revolves around Bill's increasingly hopelessefforts to flee from (but also to copy and avenge) Alice's desire, adesire from which he is completely excluded, just as he is laterexcluded from the desire-space of the power-elite at Somerton. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? But what he was getting at was whether it was murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it would not have happened had he not been there. If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" The point, however, is that even if all three female> 'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the same> character), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not to> mention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<>. So is Ziegler lying? The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. 1. 2. Is that how > you> would describe it? > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. He wasn't positive. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. ", "Victor what can I say. >on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. ME> Again. Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, >> "I know.">. You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film > audience.>, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of> 'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simply> because of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?> And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member of> the power elite? The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. <<<<<<<<<<<<<. > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" ---people with no idea of the futility and silliness of counting endless grains of sands, with their mental masturbations and perserverations. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. Much as you often dream of people, in a distorted way, whom you met while awake. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." <<<<<<<<<<. >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L."
1925 . or psychotherapists. > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. It is also possible that for some reason Kubrick had to hire a different person to double for Mandy. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. We could say that even Nick was in on it and the phone call to Nick in the Jazz club was a set up to pique Bill's interest, even letting Bill knows the password. Put on some headphones and listen. SoZiegler's principal role in the film and in this scene is as anunscrupulous defender of wealth and power and as a power-brokerintermediary (laying down the Law while also routinely transgressingit), threateningly indicating to Bill just what the rich and powerfulcan do and what they can get away with. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. But examine the frame showing the overhead shot in the morgue, with all the shots of Mandy in the bathroom. In contrast to the Ziegler-Bill poolroom scene clearing up allambiguities (Ziegler's seeming 'commonsensical' and desublimating'explanation' of the Somerton ritual), as many have complained in thepast, this scene instead multiplies and amplifies the uncertainties.Ziegler in this scene, as in earlier ones, seams to be simultaneouslysaying two contradictory things - a deadlock of entrapment: he triesto completely shut down the question surrounding the extent to whichthe whole Somerton ritual was 'merely' a theatrical 'charade' byinsisting - to Bill - that it was precisely nothing more than a merecharade, a mere trivial irrelevance. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very. What a joke to call them "philosophers." at the ceremony/orgy. Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. > But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." NG was :>the realization of that potential. > Take another listen. What a joke to call them "philosophers." Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. He was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," were killers. 0. Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. I actually had to look that up. 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