Unable to add item to List. The couple left Canada and returned to California - but the tortuous memories followed. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. Save 50% on 1 when you buy 2 Shop items. Some changes, including increased spending and a review of social worker training, have been made to the child protection system since the tragedy. Everyone could see how far off the deep end Shirley Turner was, including the very justice system that continued to set her free and place an innocent child in her arms. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. They held their breath. The 13-month-old boy died when his mother, Dr. Shirley Turner, held him and jumped into the frigid North Atlantic near Conception Bay South, N.L. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. She's also a market partner with the Monat brand, which sells hair care and wellness products. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. What he and his wife went through is truly disgusting. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. For fans of true crime, this is the perfect book for you. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. Hed walk a little and then, boom, hed fall down.. Not always.. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. But something kept me going, and. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. Since this was written by the first victim's father, little to no backstory was provided for the accused murderer. The suicide, he says, confirmed what he never wanted to believe that his mother was a murderer. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. I sat there. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. But the book is also the story of a remarkable couple whose journey of grief took them from the suburban comfort of Northern California to the harsh coast and courts of Newfoundland, Canada. $19.46 2 New from $19.46. I would really like for you and Kate. I dont know.. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. It was like they had gone back to what it might have been like when they first got married.. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. The Bagbys were confident Turner would be returned to Pennsylvania for trial in a matter of weeks. They drowned Aug. 18, 2003, in what was ruled a murder-suicide. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. The next day, his body was found riddled with bullets. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. This story broke my heart. This book was very well written, and straight to the point. Spent casings matched Turner's handgun and a witness saw a car similar to hers parked next to Andrew's car. Snow. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. Ive never seen people react more passionately, intensely. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. They put their belongings in storage, rented out their house and moved to St. Johns, Newfoundland. Why don't you just take him?'. I had a job I loved. MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. Even though I knew the outcome, the day the main incident occurs, I was still shocked when the pages finally reveal the events that lead up to that day. A tragedy that could have been prevented. murderer in check. When search suggestions are available use up and down arrows to review and enter to select. It's just as heartbreaking as the documentary "Dear Zachary", which I HIGHLY recommend watching. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. Those words, David says, are burned into my heart.. We. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. What shocked fans the most was that Kate actually took David back, and the pair dated for a while after the show aired. What if she is backed in a. corner? Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. The Fridays he and a classmate from Bellarmine College Preparatory would come home early and fix dinner in that kitchen. The idea is for both individuals to be tempted by the singles, and ultimately decide if their partners are their perfect matches. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. Just rage. I think about the Bagby family all the time. He said, `The psychotic bitch. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. We. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. "Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it.". Kurt Kuenne created the movie as a kind of big-screen scrapbook to immortalize Andrew Bagby, one of his best friends from childhood. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. And we were going to be his savior.. Turner walked to the end of the pier and, holding Zachary against her, jumped into the frigid Atlantic. The next day, she got in her car with her gun.. Scott Adams faces 'consequence culture' as U.S. newspapers drop Dilbert, Tom Cruise's 'ditching' of Suri showcased by Judd Apatow's 'co-parenting' joke, ex-Scientology exec says. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. However, the intended audience of the film. If both parties dont recognize that, he says, then youve got trouble.. Not always. CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices. This is a fantastic book. Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. Obsessive and unstable, Shirley Turner lied to the police and fled to her family home in Newfoundland before she could be arrested. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Chart: Bay Area rainfall totals for this week, Contact Mike Cassidy at mcassidy@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5536. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. Afterwards Turner ran off to Canada (she had duel citizenship) before Pennsylvania Cops could arrest her for Dr. Andrew Bagby's brutal murder. Though the 1,100-page Turner report says Turner maintained a fairly active social life while she was fighting extradition, the investigations narrative includes a number of signs that some of her personal relations were strained. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearablebut Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. Couldn't be her. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. With Shirley Turner out of jail it was time for the Bagbys to clench their teeth again. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' She eventually kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. Late the next night, Turner put Zachary in a car and drove in intermittent heavy rain from St. Johns to Kelligrews on the Atlantic Ocean. Such memories are happy and hard. The worst part for me was that Shirley cheated everyone out of seeing justice done. For the Bagbys, Zacharys birth was the start of more than a year of renewed joy and incomprehensible pain. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. Easy duty. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. Meeting her at 6. Zachary didn't seem like. Meanwhile, Kate and David's bond with Zachary grew stronger. But with special people, yes. That little boy, with the blue eyes and pudgy cheeks. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. They're like, `What do you mean?' KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? And I know, you love me, and--yeah. They moved to Newfoundland to give the legal battle their full attention but Turner remained at large. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. David expresses his intense rage and his intense patience with Turner superbly. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard her son had been murdered. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. His parents were ecstatic. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. "He was beautiful," Kate . For David, of course, there is the book, but there is also the caldron of emotion that refuses to let him rest until hes sure hes done all he can to prevent others from going through what he and Kate have endured. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. Some time after 1 a.m., she sat in the car and apparently mixed a bottle of sleeping pills with Zacharys formula. "We never expected it. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. As the police searched for Turner and Zachary through the day on Aug. 18, Kate and David waited in their apartment with the Rev. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. granddad? Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. "Kate and I are very close and that helps. The governments report concluded that in all reasonable probability Turner was searching for a way to easily access the ocean along the rocky coast. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. David Bagby speculates that this was Shirley's idea of victory: when Andrew and Zachary both rejected her, she punished them. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. Id come in and Id be excited, Kate says. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. Now, she sucked us in here, too. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. I don't think I could have done what they did. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. Privacy Policy. [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. David Bagby, who plans to send a copy of his book to key Canadian legislators, says he will continue to fight for bail reform. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. They told us that they'd found the body. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. A man, who would not give police his name, called the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary to report that he had met Turner in a St. Johns bar and that he later had sex with her. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. That is not a spoiler, as it is on the back of the book. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. By the time they arrived at Turner's house, Zachary was asleep and Kate and David prepared to leave. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. "They are appalled and outraged.". Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. It was the result the couple had been waiting for. It is a cry for change in the Canadian justice system that allowed his sons killer to roam free. He said, `What can happen?'. IE 11 is not supported. It was the last time the Bagbys would see Zachary. The Bagbys were 4,500 miles from home. I'm rarely the kind of gal that cries during movies or books and I was sobbing. Reviewed in the United States on March 14, 2022. It soon became apparent who was responsible. Around 3 a.m. on Aug. 18, she found the fishing wharf in the tiny town of Foxtrap. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. I only live a block away.' She would never go away. I cried all the way reading this, and also while watching the documentary. Please try again. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. 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